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December 2004 108th Issue Who Owns What?by Wichai Pannoi - Lawyer After a few talks at recent meetings and also in conversations with both by clients and friends, there is both a demand and a request for me to write this article about properties shared by common law couples living together, without legal marriage. I will not emphasize on married couples, as there are all kinds of law covering them, but only for those who cannot marry one another for whatever reasons of their own. Both for the male-female couples and of the same sex couples, I admit, though that this article is meant more for Farang men (or even other alien men) with their Thai lady friends, but the idea can be applied to all contemporary people all around. Now if you live together without marriage for a certain period of time even with those of the same sex, with or without having sex with one another, and you share or gain all kinds of assets and properties, generally the stronger sex (men or those who act as men) will end up buying or spending a lot more, or even buying alone. Thailand does not have any direct law for life partnership couples. Only business partnership law can be applied or construed for it and it is usually a worse mess either in or out of the court rooms (more than in business partnership) as most of the time for most of the people at the time of buying is usually in the sweet or honeymoon type period. So the couples never sort out who buys what and with whose money, let alone involving a lawyer or an agreement. If so a lawyer could have prevented a lot of mishaps and less (eventual) lawyer fees! And of course, most couples never keep receipts except in the case of some of those who happen to be the lawyers or some top NCOs. As I mentioned, Thailand does not have direct law for lover couples to sort out their properties. If and when they have to part with one another, the normal partnership law (for business) can be applied. From my own study, and reading, observation and direct litigation experiences, not too many life partners go to court to fight for their properties. Normally one of the parties just gives up and walks away and leaves the properties to the other party, especially in case of direct registration such as land, condo or vehicles. Movable properties go to whoever possesses or wears them. But now with globalization, a more sophisticated society and with more sophisticated people involved, there could be more disputes and subsequently more court cases in the future. If so, then look for a trial lawyer. Lawyers act on the calls of clients, but only the court is empowered to make the final legal decision. Lawyers do not have to worry about the moral issues at hand as who should get or keep what. So far in most of the normal male-female life partners, if the local women is poorly educated and not in possession of things, she will walk away if the Farang man does not want to give or the Farang man will walk away and leaves all to the woman. Things will be easier if such couples have children, then they can just give most of their properties to their mutual children. But in the case of more sophisticated women who usually have better education, with of course more friends and families mixing in, and without any mutual children where no one wants to give in, then human witnesses will be more significant if you don‘t have things in writing, and fighting over what belongs to whom! More often cases of Farang men owning or leasing the house, condo, apartment etc., you wouldn't have to worry so much if your local lady friend is not the complex and uneducated type, as she will likely not involve a lawyer over you. But if she is more sophisticated, combined with her greed and shamelessness and friends or family egging her on, then you could have big problems when you feel that you have bought everything yourself and she does not deserve anything when you want to split from one another! You will need a lawyer, or if you are a poor life partner and want to take some of the properties from her as a life partner, you will need a lawyer too if she doesn't want to share. As to the case of the same sex sharing or coupling with one another, the party who has not spent much to acquire the properties becomes greedy, and shameless and standing firm to share the properties as life partners. And if you as the main buyer also does not want to give any, then only the courts can decide. The next and last is similar to a love affair of giving gifts especially when you don‘t live together in the same home. If the other party who has manipulated or tricked or cheated you into buying a lot for them and she or he neglects you or leaves you or plays game with you most of the times, and you finally become sick of her and wanting to end the affair and calling for the return of all the things you have given him or her. If she or he is so stubborn or so thick-faced or so shameless and has no honour to give them back. And you want to go to court to demand the return. Forget it, as Thai courts only force the gifts back to your next of kin below you (children or grandchildren). To lovers or any other friends if you give to them on passion or love or romance, they are considered as gifts forever. So all in all for the normal life partnership of male-female or even the same sex, if you don‘t want to get into a lot of legal problems, better to prevent it by having a lawyer next to you or have certain and simple agreement in writing first. Or at least try to keep the receipts or evidence of who bought what, before your plunge into living with one another. And if you have not prepared as such, get a trial lawyer but try not to kill one another as both will definitely lose. Life is so beautiful and already short enough! Why end it sooner? Better to live and let live! This way I wouldn't have to talk or write on the topic of “how to knock off your worse half and get away with it”. No! just kidding, I cannot really do such a topic as it is highly un-professional and immoral, though not entirely illegal to give one! RUNAROUND SUE-a true story about a bogus lawyer “Here's my story, sad but true, ‘Bout a bogus lawyer that I once knew, Took my house and ran around, Securing loans all over town….” I am telling my tale here to hopefully persuade other foreign visitors that there is a genuine problem with bogus lawyers. It may also serve as a warning to those who marry a Thai and put their house solely in the name of their partner – no one imagines their marriage will break down but unfortunately it does happen on an all too regular basis. My story starts at the point my marriage to a Thai broke down irretrievably; I had put everything in her name, and at this point she would not communicate with me at all. After numerous fruitless efforts to get her to talk about what was going to happen from that point on I decided that I should get some legal advice on where I stood. I scanned the legal adverts in the Bangkok Post, and phoned several of them to establish firstly that the firm had a good English speaker, and secondly what their charges would be. Eventually I found one, but really this was Mistake #1; my advice when looking for a lawyer is to either get a list of recommended lawyers from your Embassy, or use one recommended by a trusted friend, and then contact the Law Society of Thailand to check if your intended lawyer is registered with them – if they are not, find another one. I went to see Mr X (a Malaysian in fact) and agreed that he could handle things for me; the idea was that his firm could act as an intermediary between my wife and I, and draw up an agreement which we would both sign. This eventually happened, and it was that I would give my wife a decent sum of money (plus other specific items of furniture etc) to allow her to walk away from the marriage and start a new life, while I would get the house (and other items) which would be held on my behalf by the ‘law' firm until it was sold. I transferred the agreed sum within two weeks of the signing, into the bank account of the firm; Mistake #2-with hindsight I should have transferred it directly to my wife, but thought I should have a safeguard against her denying it had been received. Six months later my wife finally got the money, and a few warning bells were starting to ring about Mr X and his company. The transfer of the house was actually made to a Mr Y within days of the agreement, and I was told he was the ‘boss' of Mr X. Very soon after Mr X tells me that Mr Y wanted to buy the house for the price I was looking for, and I think there is finally some light at the end of the tunnel. However this was just a tactic he used to buy more time, and it really hit home that something was horribly wrong when I get a phone call from my wife to ask why I had changed all the locks on the house when I knew she had some more things to collect (neither of us were living there at this point). From this moment on Mr X became increasingly more difficult to contact, and more evasive every time. I finally managed to track him down and have a meeting with him to ask what is going on, and he spins a yarn about Mr Y being some sort of mafia figure with huge gambling debts, and that Mr X is frightened for his life, and that I need to be careful too. This was yet another smokescreen, but this time I didn't really believe it, and I gave Mr X a time limit to sort things out, under threat of legal action against him. This was not an empty threat, although I still had the problem of finding a lawyer I could trust; it was at this point I was advised to contact the Law Society, which I duly did, only to discover that Mr X and his company were not registered, and consequently the Society could take no action against him. However they did put me in contact with Khun Wichai, and although at time of writing the case is not yet resolved, he has proved his worth time and again. As it stands now, the truth of what happened is this; Mr X is not a ‘real' lawyer, although it is possible that he had some working for him. Mr Y has also been duped by him to the tune of at least 15 million baht, in supposed land and property deals. My house was ‘given' to Mr Y as some sort of repayment, and Mr Y never knew about my situation until sometime later; Mr Y sold the house at a knockdown price (at this point he was already short of money) fairly soon after the agreement had been signed with my wife, although the new owners didn't take full possession (and changed the locks) until some months later. The money eventually paid to my wife came from Mr Y – the money I had paid had long gone, in suspected gambling by Mr X. Khun Wichai has managed to get both my wife and Mr Y to agree to testify against Mr X, and a preliminary hearing is set for January 2005, the suit having been filed in early October 2004. Despite the new owners of the house not really being involved in all this, it is likely that they will also be sued for the remaining contents of the house that my wife and I were unable to retrieve-unfortunately this is the only way for us to get recompense. ”I should have known it from the very start, That he's a shyster without a heart, So my friends here's what I'm telling you, Don't let him give you the Runaround - Sue!” Useful contacts: The Law Society of Thailand , 7/89 Building 10, Ratdamnonekrang Rd. , Bawornnivet Sub-District , Phranakorn District, Bangkok Tel : 02-629-1430 # 555, 116, 117 Email: info@lawsociety.or.th Thank you San Paulo HospitalEarlier in October, I was delivered to the San Paulo Hospital after a tragic accident in which I was injured seriously. The hospital´s ambulance arrived at the place of accident not later than 7 minutes after they were called. I was carefully transported to the emergency room where a staff of nurses on duty prepared me for examination by the general surgeon on duty. The findings and nature of my injuries were discussed with me and the surgeon proceeded to attend to me as discussed with me. A lot of consideration was taken with my condition. An small operation was performed that same night and I woke up on my way to a single room where nurses made sure I was comfortable. My condition was monitored several times that night until an orthopedic surgeon arrived the next day to perform the main operation which took about 3 hours. I was informed in detail about the operation and the English speaking surgeon explained the consequences of same. I stayed about 14 days at the San Paulo before I was released to my home bedroom. My wife was allowed to stay with me in the same room all this time. During my stay, the San Paulo staff checked my health state several times a day and gave me adequate medications for a painless night and speedy recovery. The service, professional surveillance and medical care was impeccable. The real virtues of Thailand were all concentrated in the smiles and care of all staff. The food was a bit plain but I was not staying at a 5 star resort. Other dishes would have been served if I had ordered them. I would like to thank all staff of San Paulo for their dedication in taking care of me and the surgeons for performing a leg saving operation. From the first moment I arrived until my release, there was never a moment of doubt in my mind that I was in the right hands ! You all have been great and given me a lot of confidence should I need you again. Gerard Mosselman Lee Hsien Loong at the DusitSingaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was welcomed to Dusit Resort, Hua-Hin by John Gill, the hotel's Resident Manager, and his team. Lee Hsien Loong was on his way to audience to His Majesty the King at Wangklaikangwol Palace .
UNESCAPUNESCAP Successfully convened The Advisory Committee of Permanent Representatives (ACPR) Retreat at Dusit Resort, Hua-Hin, in November, 2004. Attended by 53 representatives from 23 countries, including 10 ambassadors, participants discussed the strengthening of ties, conference structure and priorities work programmes.
LUKE WHO'S TALKING!
Name: Luke Young Birthday: November 5th Birth Place: Petchaburi Weight: 10.21 lbs (4.68Kg) Mother: Tittima Masbun Father: Knackered! Warmest congratulations to Martin, our very own webmaster, and Taa on the birth of their first son. No Digital Doctor required here! The Coronation of a Cambodian KingBy Antonio Graceffo A relentless Cambodian sun played upon the highly-polished bayonets, affixed to the rifles of the military honor guard, standing at rigid attention. Anxiously, they awaited the arrival of Prince Norodom Sihamoni, who would soon be crowned the new king of Cambodia . The droning chant of Buddhist monks could be heard across the palace grounds, as history waited to be made. This would be the first coronation of a new Cambodian king, in more than 60 years, when Prince Norodom Sihamoni's father, King Norodom Sihanouk ascended to the throne. Fleets of limousines arrived, bearing the many princes and princesses, representing the two sides of Cambodia 's royal family. The regal guests were followed by the high ranking government ministers, and foreign diplomats. The coronation of a king is always a special event, one of pageantry and national pride. It was unfortunate, however, that the coronation of King Sihamoni was surrounded by speculation and debate, regarding his father's abdication. King Norodom Sihanouk, was the first Cambodian king, in recent memory, to quit his post, while still alive. As recently as two days before the coronation, the constitutionality of the King's abdication was still a subject of debate. A throne council was called, also a first in recent Cambodian history. The council chose Prince Norodom Sihamoni, a 51 year old ballet dancer, who had spent much of his life in Paris , to be the new King. His brother, Prince Norodom Ranarith, would have been the natural successor to their father. But Prince Ranarith, who is head of the FUNCINPEC, royalist political party, had often stated, that he had no desire to assume the position of king. The appointment of Prince Sihamoni, and the speed with which the throne council operated surprised many Khmers. But most seemed pleased with the decision, echoing sentiments like those of Sok Sop, a long time resident of Phnom Penh . “The old King was very wise.” He said. “He was able to find a solution to the French colonial situation. But the new King is young. And I believe he will bring a new perspective to the Kingdom. I hope that he can find a way to improve the lives of all the people.” The fact that the new king is unmarried and has no children appears to be a non-issue with the Khmer press, as the crown is not a hereditary monarchy. Most Khmers said that they loved the King, and seemed to have high hopes for the future. Therefore, it was a shame that the only people permitted to attend the festivities at the palace were a handful of dignitaries and foreign journalists. Citizens were forced to watch the closed affair on television. Even the attendance of opposition leader, Sam Rainsy, was up in the air. Many politicians blamed Sam Rainsy for King Norodom Sihanouk delaying his return to Cambodia , after his latest trip to Beijing . Some went so far as to blame him for the King's abdication. The King had often threatened to resign his post if the CPP, Cambodia 's ruling political party, and the opposition could not come to an amicable compromise. Most recently, Sam Rainsy had sent a letter to the King, explaining that an anti-royalist protest awaited him in Phnom Penh , if he returned from China , as scheduled. The opposition leader claimed that the protests were arranged by the CPP, but were to be blamed on Sam Rainsy. In the end, it is believed that intervention by King Norodom Sihanouk himself secured an invitation for Sam Rainsy. Although the press competed fiercely for photos of the new king, Sam Rainsy was the only coronation guest who was asked to hold an impromptu press conference. It was apparent that journalists wished to ask Sam Rainsy a slue of poignant questions, about his relationship with Prime Minister Hun Sen, as well as rumours that he would be brought in for questioning, regarding his letter to King Norodom Sihanouk. But out of respect for the royal celebration, many questions remained either unasked or unanswered. In an impressive display of linguistics, fielding questions in English, French, and Khmer, Sam Rainsy diplomatically wished the new king well. “I support the new King.” Said Sam Rainsy. “And I trust that he will use his judgment, and make good decisions. I cannot speak for him.” The deep base of a tremendous Buddhist drum could be heard, leading a procession of infantry, in traditional Angkor dress. One by one, soldiers, armed with spears and swords, took up their posts, along the path to the palace door. A contingent of bearers marched down the center, carrying ancient artifacts, symbols of the Buddhist faith, and of the divine power of the king. The artifacts were put on display inside of the throne room. As the original Cambodian crown disappeared during the Khmer Rouge regime, a copy was made for this occasion. But the crown was for display only. The king would not be wearing it. Once the final preparations were completed, a gold coloured litter arrived, borne by strong soldiers in ceremonial Khmer costume. The passenger, mounted on a beautiful and ornate seat, high above the heads of onlookers was His Majesty Prince Norodom Sihamoni. The litter was lowered to the ground, and the prince was escorted into the great hall. The doors were closed, but the chants of Buddhist prayers could be heard through the walls of the regal building. Hours had passed. But when the doors reopened, and King Norodom Sihamoni immerged, Cambodia had a new King. And hopes were high that a new age of Cambodian prosperity had begun.
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